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Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.23 23:16:00 -
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Tch jealousy. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 08:54:00 -
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Sorry, but please explain to a non-miner why these multiboxing fleets are bad and if they are, why they cant be ganked into the dirt like anyone else? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:09:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: People in the belts feel "cheated" and jealous when a huge 6+fleet of similarly named toons flies out of station in perfect synchronicity and lock-step to super-hoover especially ice in record time and efficiency.
Which they do when they form their own one-player per ship minin fleets anyway. But yes, I accept they get jealous. A friend of mine who mines in a proc gets jealous when a mck turns up so I totally get that. I dont sympathise, but I understand it.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:As to ganking, the economics of it don't really balance out in high-sec. Mining modules and even the ships are actually surprisingly cheap, and the amount of ore any given mining ship (orcas notwithstanding) holds at any given time isn't really worth all that much...... So ganking these mining-fleets really boils down to the luls, not much profit, if any, in it. And the security status hit. Furthermore the profits they generate through steady, regular ice grinding are so high that any gank is written off as a small expense and the material lost is replaced in a few hours of uninterrupted mining.
Ganking them has virtually nothing to do with economically crippling them.
Its much much much more abotu making them have to go to the effort of replacing their ships.
Surely they dont all have 100 fully fitted macks, 20 orcas and 5 freighters on stand by to replace losses.... do they? Maybe they do. But anyway, in terms of the game, I cant see how a 1 man 20 ship fleet is any different from 20 manned ships all doing the same thing. So yeah, jealousy. I can buy that. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:11:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote: what is automation and what is not is not upon.... CCP
Yeah but it is though. In their game, which they own, they can call ships bananahammocks if they like.
However, you dont seem to be wanting to discuss the topic. You seem to want to argue semantics with Tippa, which is similar to tellin a cat it should bark. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:16:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ganking them has virtually nothing to do with economically crippling them.
Its much much much more abotu making them have to go to the effort of replacing their ships. In high-sec, it has everything to do with it. They can replace the hardware in a matter of minutes. Because Ice-Belts are so predictable, the in-system stations quite frequently have modules/ships for sale even cheaper than the regional hub does. Furthermore, the fleets have some not-inconsiderable drone support. Its just not "worth" it to gank them in high-sec. And even on the luls part, the mass miner doesn't suffer more than a tiny annoyance and loss in profits that he can very easily catch up in a few hours of mining.
It depends on how you measure worth.
They dont have infinate ships.
When was the last time you had to replace a ship (x20) only to lose it again? And again? And again?
Of course Im sure they all have Mining Permits and there would be no need for that to happen *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:22:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: You seem to be unfamiliar with the logistics required to simultaneously gank 20 ships in high-sec.
The supply of mining ships and modules in high-sec is for all intents and purposes inexhaustible, and they are readily available from the ice-belts in-system stations.
The cost is negligible compared to how fast you recoup the cost once the ship is icing in the field.
I understand you dont "get" it. But thats because you are not accepting the facts or refusing to recognise them.
I do get it. You really need to get your eyes fixed.
And if 10 Orcas and 5 freighters can be killed in 3 hours in the same system, I think you will find that its you who "doesnt get it".
And stop talking about cost. Cost is irrelevant. I believe I mentioned that already.
But hey, if you cant work out how its done, thats your disability. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:23:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: It's giving multiboxers an unfair advantage
Fact: You are incorrect. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:30:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: Talking about avatars, yours resembles an elephants arse.
In what way?
Its not grey, or large and it doesnt have a tail.
Salvos Rhoska wrote: Hence, proliferation of multibox ice-mining fleets throughout high-sec. Hence TNO. But its still not a profitable endevour to gank them. Thats just how the game is, atm.
Wtf has profit got to do with it?
If you have a problem with them, kill them.
If you dont, why are you arguing with me? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:35:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote: In the way that it is scrunched up, has a short tuft of nappy hair, and produces great quantities of steaming ****.
I see the level of converstion you wish to have, and as I am older than 5 years old, I think I shall desist conversing with you. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:43:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote: A well written post.
I see where you are coming from, but I dont think you are saving very much either way.
2 points I would make are;
1) That hour of missioning has generated the same income for the multiboxer as it has for the fleet when totalled. As we arent considering that five missions could have been done by the five people, then the supposed man-hours make no difference as the 4 non-human piloted ships could also be doing 4 different things (and 1 Master).
2) The ISBoxer cannot respond as easily to changes in environment eg Ninja looters, gankers WTS showing up etc. except to flee. The Human Fleet can respond and attempt to defeat or adapt to the change.
Just adding that. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 09:51:00 -
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Sigh another thread which divides into the logical vs the intractable (plus a small child with an anal fixation).
Im not even going to suggest who is who, but some people like to argue rather than see sense. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:27:00 -
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I hope Tippia doesnt respond to the latest semantic argument that ignores the spirit of whats being said in favour of attempting to attack the grammar of it.
For all our sakes. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:31:00 -
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Optimo Sebiestor wrote:Easy to see who the users of isobox is in this thread..
No it isnt.
But well done for keeping me feeling justified in hating all Sebiestors. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 10:56:00 -
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Anubis Sith wrote: Regurgitated guff
All of your questions have been answered.
I don't see why he should lower himself to answering them again.
I am asking nicely, stop trolling Tippia.
His answers make sense. If you disagree thats fine, there's no need to be an ass constantly at him for it. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:19:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Nooodlzs wrote:I hope you guys do realise that these large isboxed fleets of miners are also being botted on top of the isboxing software.
Try bumping them. Any evidence of this? Or just the usual tinfoil hattery?
Ive been where his Alliance lives. He knows what he's on about ;) *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:29:00 -
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Nooodlzs wrote:
Everywhere in Eve, including hi sec, don't blame one entity.
I didnt. I just said I agreed with you because Id seen it with mine own ocular orbs *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 11:30:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:
This reminds me of the old CountrStrike days, where anyone that got a kill would immediately be confronted by a handful of noobs screaming "AIMBOT" at the top of their voice.
Yeah well CS Source and DoD Source WERE effectively destroyed by that though *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 12:06:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:
no, I'm just making clear CCP is allowing automating tools for profit, no more no less.
Ok cool.
I dont have a problem with this as it doesnt make my game any worse.
In fact, it promotes a target rich enviromentaroney *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Ramona McCandless
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:20:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:baltec1 wrote:Robert Caldera wrote: sure, they allow automation tools of some kind, which they do for profit (as the only logical reason I see). This is what I'm saying the whole time.
But there isn't any automation in isboxer. It wont do anything without a human there. did I talk to you? no.
Did I talk to you? No, but I have to listen to your pedantry when I try and read the thread. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
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